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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:50:00 -
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This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.
So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.
Thanks.  |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:They're afraid to lose their stuff.
Akirei Scytale wrote:Strangely, some people don't like shooting intelligent opponents capable of adapting to the situation at hand, and prefer shooting at AIs or newbies.
My reaction to meeting one has always been confusion, despair and pity. I would like to hear from them, not what you guys think. Just sit back and read for once. Thank you.
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:58:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:Most of the new guys I take out on roams simply dont understand the mechanics of pvp be it hisec war or low/null. They are more afraid of "doing it wrong" than actually losing a ship. I have not done the new tutorial in a long time, how much does it cover when it comes to PvP? |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:59:00 -
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Nathan Ernaga wrote:Yesterday I had my first kill. But it was pore miner in Osprey. Broke my hearth:cry] No more PvP for me. naaaaaaa  Are you new to the game and what kept you from PvPing before the Osprey? |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:23:00 -
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I updated the OP to clarify more. Also you guys need to calm down with your opinions on other posters in here, please. For those baptized in combat daily, will you please just listen silently for once? I don't want any flame wars and other mud slinging in here. |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:25:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks.  EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why. Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them. Your topic says it all. You don't understand Pve'ers, so you think that something is wrong with them. They "choose " to play the game in a way that suits them, I have known a lot of them during my years in the game, some very good people among them. They don't care about how you play the game, they play it their way..... How did you come to the conclusion that I think something is wrong with someone because they don't PvP?? I am simply asking those who don't why. |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.13 02:45:00 -
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I mean no offense, but once again I am not interested in hearing why you think other people don't PvP. I want to hear it straight from the horses mouth on what keeps them from doing it. There is far too many internet psychologist in these threads on why other people do and do not.
It is time we sit back and let them say for themselves. I do appreciate the responses so far and there is no wrong answer so to speak. Also please ignore the trolls.  |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:40:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:Kutsue wrote:the need to be in pvp corp, their requirement to have Team Speak , Ventrilo or other VoiP software on my computer. I am not afraid of losing ships i expect too, may try FW because it seems to be doable solo or with ingame chat, another hindrance is time RL.
lol people still refuse to put VoIP programs on their computer? May I ask why? Some people believe (including myself) that when playing a game everything you need to play the game should be IN the game. Adding all this extra stuff is annoying. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of it with you, but there you have it. |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:33:00 -
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Enough with the 'You're doing it WRONG!' speeches guys. Friendly advice is one thing, berating them accomplishes nothing.
EDIT: not directed at those on this page, but just the last few pages prior and stuff.  |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't even think the OP is reading this thread anymore. I have read every word of every post, even the ones from the trolls.  |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.07.16 08:05:00 -
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Anna Shoul wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:I have read every word of every post, even the ones from the trolls.  But once you have satisfied your curiosity, do you plan to do anything? Because the only people with the power to seriously affect the situation would be the developers, most of those reasons have their roots deep in the game mechanics. Even the social reasons.
Well I am not sure there has ever been a thread like this actually. Every post or thread there has been on these forums is someone thrusting their opinion why other people don't PvP. If there has been one before, it has been an extremely long time.
I am not sure what I will do with the information. Not really sure if I should do anything with it.
What I have seen mentioned several times by people has things to do with time invested to get to the action of PvP, cost associated with it and the general attitude of the PvP community. I guess I am just enjoying sitting back and listening for a change. Some of the perceptions about all things associated may not be correct in my eyes, but I am starting to understand more how players come to these conclusions.
It is not like they just wake up one day and say, "Hey. I'm going to play EVE-Online and HATE PvP with a passion!" There is usually many factors that drive them to this. For me I will continue to try and listen. |

Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 09:01:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If you aggress somebody and that guy does not flee like a sissie it's because you got baited and 10 seconds later your battlecruiser is surrounded by 80 supercaps. I've tried not to comment too much in this thread, but I would like to touch on this. I agree with the above statement. Almost every single fight in this game, especially the larger the fight is, most likely the outcome is already known before the first round is shot. The absolute vast amount of instant effort free intel that happens in this game leaves absolutely very little to the unknown factor. And because your enemy will use such intel, you are forced to use it as well in order to keep up. Sounds silly, but there you have it.
Either it is a total and complete slaughter or there is not a battle at all. The adventure, is gone... |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:19:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jaison Savrin wrote:stuff I have nothing against you or your play style, and your choice whether or not to pvp is yours and yours alone, but please. please don't bring real-life morality into a discussion about shooting people in video games. Your intent might be amicable, but by doing so, you essentially become the soccer mom who blames Grand Theft Auto for the local school shooting. When you rationalize video game violence with moral stances, you hurt both gaming and freedom of expression as a whole. Also (and don't consider this as anything but friendly advice), you need to work on developing a thicker skin toward interaction with other people on the Internet. Once again, there's nothing wrong with having a type-B personality (heck, I have one myself), but if you can't deal with some 13-year-old calling you a ****** every once in a while, you should probably not be online in the first place. Quick edit: and the reason you need to work on a thicker skin isn't because you have some obligation to do so, or because some stranger told you to, but because it will help you cope when some 13-year-old inevitably does call you a ******, and despite your best efforts, you won't be able to avoid reading/hearing his words. Now who looks like the soccer mom trying to chastise how someone else spends their time?
Seriously please don't do this. You are missing the entire point of the thread. There is no wrong answer in here. Just because it does not fit how you think he should be playing the game does not make it wrong. How about instead of him getting some thick skin other people stop being an unnecessary jerk? No I don't mean, "Oh he shot my spaceship, he is a jerk!" I am talking about all the really terrible stuff that is said in this game. I would give examples, but they would be quickly deleted by the mods. Also I am pretty sure I don't need to. Everyone has experienced more than their fair share of it already in the game. Far too many people get online (in any game for that matter) and think, "All right, time to be a total complete (insert whatever horrible thing) to everyone I come across because I am on the interwebs and because there is no accountability to what I say, it must mean it is ok.
Once again, there is no, "You're doing it wrong!" if someone has a different play style than what you think it should be. If everyone did play the game exactly the same way, it would make for one of the most boring and predicable games in the history of, well, games. |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:02:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:You didn't really read my post, did you? Every last word.
Destiny Corrupted wrote:if you can't deal with some 13-year-old calling you a ****** every once in a while, you should probably not be online in the first place. Maybe if you didn't include this part it would have come off better. I see this thrown around a lot and used against people who have expressed they don't care for someone calling them a ****** once in a while. Did you ever ask yourself that maybe, just maybe it is ok to not be ok with being called (whatever mean stuff v0v)?
Anyways, this is getting off topic a bit. The guy doesn't care for the immaturity that seems to bust out at the seams when it comes to PvP. That is his point of view. Just because you are ok with the immaturity, does not mean he is wrong to not be ok with it. You popping in here with, "I know it is wrong, but you are wrong to not be ok with it being wrong." is just silly.  |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:17:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:You didn't really read my post, did you? Every last word. Destiny Corrupted wrote:if you can't deal with some 13-year-old calling you a ****** every once in a while, you should probably not be online in the first place. Maybe if you didn't include this part it would have come off better. I see this thrown around a lot and used against people who have expressed they don't care for someone calling them a ****** once in a while. Did you ever ask yourself that maybe, just maybe it is ok to not be ok with being called (whatever mean stuff v0v)? Anyways, this is getting off topic a bit. The guy doesn't care for the immaturity that seems to bust out at the seams when it comes to PvP. That is his point of view. Just because you are ok with the immaturity, does not mean he is wrong to not be ok with it. You popping in here with, "I know it is wrong, but you are wrong to not be ok with it being wrong." is just silly.  That was one sentence out of three paragraphs. It seems like you're throwing out the baby along with the dirty diaper. Look, I'm not saying that people have to be fine with being insulted online. What I did say was that it's inevitable that someone will insult you, so you'd be much better off learning to deal with it instead of relying on avoidance, which at some point is guaranteed to fail. And there's nothing wrong with my claim that people who have zero tolerance for asshattery don't belong on the Internet. They really don't have any business signing into a social online environment, just like epileptics have no business watching Pokemon episode #38, and people with arachnophobia have no business moving to Florida. *shudders* It is clear that we are not going to change each others opinion on the matter, especially on the forums. We will have to agree to disagree. If you would like to continue this debate regardless, feel free to eve mail me anytime. |

Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:40:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The real problem is that we're disagreeing over what I said, instead of the message I'm trying to convey. I said "apple," and you said "nuh-uh, you said 'orange'."
And then I look at you, bug-eyed, and ask "what?" Because I clearly confirmed that it's okay to not be okay with someone being mean to you online, and you act as if I've taken the exact opposite stance. You said more than that. Anyways, back on topic. This thread is for those who avoid/can't/won't PvP a chance to voice the reasons why they don't. No matter how you or I feel about it.
Idea being to gain a better understand in what makes the nonPvPers tick. Maybe there is some information that we, as a community and CCP can use to help address some things. Maybe not. Regardless I feel strongly about this thread and feel it has somehow managed to not turn to crap like most of the threads on these forums.
I have read every single word of every single post and will continue to do so hopefully with an open mind. I thought about making a sister thread that asks players why the PvP, but I have a feeling that would get insane real fast.  |
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